Kelly Covert In Her Voice / The Beauty of Conflict with CrisMarie Campbell & Susan Clarke
December 05

Kelly Covert In Her Voice / The Beauty of Conflict with CrisMarie Campbell & Susan Clarke

CrisMarie Campbell, an Olympic rower and Boeing flight test engineer, and Susan Clarke, a former marriage therapist and Equus coach, are the authors of The Beauty of Conflict: Harnessing Your Team’s Competitive Advantage and The Beauty of Conflict for Couples. They also have a podcast with the same name: The Beauty of Conflict for dealing with conflict at work and at home. As partners in work and life for over two decades, they’ve adapted their proven step-by-step process honed working with Fortune 100 Companies such as Johnson & Johnson, Microsoft, AT&T and San Francisco Giants to help long-term couples use conflict as a catalyst to greater intimacy, passion, and fulfillment. Their work and expertise have been featured in notable outlets like The Today Show, NBC, and Shape.

Here are some of the big topics we talked about…


  • CrisMarie and Susan’s individual stories of coming through stress, conflict, & serious illness, and the beauty of intuition and connectivity which helped them get through

  • How Susan uncovered “huge amounts of conflict in her own life that she hadn’t been dealing with” and the span of 10 years that she turned chaos & conflict around fully

In CrisMarie & Susan’s Voice

CrisMarie: “As a rower at the University of Washington, I listened to what was drawing me forward. Meeting Susan was an inner voice listening - I was really paying attention then! I continued to make better and better choices as I made that pivot later in my life. I got healthier and happier from learning to trust the inside voice vs trying to please people on the outside.”
Susan: “I became committed to surfacing conflict. The beauty and the depth of what can happen when you turn towards that which seems hard and difficult! Totally transformational things can come out of that.”
CrisMarie: “I took the fall for a failed project when I didn’t speak up. I knew then and there, ‘I’ve got to figure out how to speak up to power because this is a career-limiting move.’ That was a key transformational point for me around conflict.”



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